Surah 3:55

What does it mean when it has God killing Jesus Christ and then raising Him to life? Did God allow Jesus to die on the cross for our sins?:)
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  1. Thompsons

    It means that both the Bible and the Qur’an teach that the Lord Jesus died on the cross.

    October 24, 2010
  2. Thompsons

    Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

    Ith qala Allahu yaAAeesa innee mutawaffeeka warafiAAuka ilayya wamutahhirukamina allatheena kafaroo wajaAAilu allatheenaittabaAAooka fawqa allatheena kafaroo ila yawmialqiyamati thumma ilayya marjiAAukum faahkumubaynakum feema kuntum feehi takhtalifoona

    “Mutawaffeeka” means “I will cause you to die.” As above most translations hide this meaning. The Qur’an clearly supports the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus but does not explain why he died.

    July 17, 2011
  3. Starr1987

    Actually no, the Qur’an means that Jesus was not killed (as Muslims believe he was raised to Heaven by God) and that he would not die until he was returned to Earth after the second coming (that both Christians and Muslims believe in) but after “The Resurrection” which is NOT the resurrection of Christ but the resurrection of ALL of humanity that Jesus also believed in aswell as all of the messianic Jews (refer to the Bible where it says that the Sadducees didn’t believe in “The Resurrection” or them questioning Jesus on “after THE Resurrection” with the woman who took seven wives. Muslims, along with Christians, believe those who follow Christ’s message are more Godly than those who reject his message, the separation coming when the two faiths disagree on his message.

    December 17, 2011
    1. Thompsons

      This is your interpretation but is it not the natural interpretation.

      December 18, 2011
      1. ocean2002

        What is natural interpretation?

        December 18, 2011
  4. Starr1987

    No, this is not my interpretation. This is what any Muslim scholar will explain to you, don’t they have the right to say/explain what their own religious scripture says/means? Or is your word more valuable than those with pHDs in Arabic and Qur’an exegesis because you watched a couple of YouTube videos by bigoted American Christians?

    And for the record, I’m Christian so I have no reason to be biased to the fact I’m trying to explain to you.

    December 19, 2011
    1. ocean2002

      So, what is the fundamental difference between the Christian and the Muslim view of Jesus?

      December 19, 2011
    2. Thompsons

      Among Muslims there are different opinions on this. The obvious meaning is that Jesus died and rose again by God’s pover. Very important for Christians.

      December 19, 2011
      1. ocean2002

        So, Starr is wrong?

        December 19, 2011
        1. Thompsons

          Yes, Star is wrong.

          December 19, 2011
  5. Starr1987

    No Thompsons, you’re lying to try and prove your Christian viewpoint. Anyone educated on Qur’anic exegesis has the same understanding of the ayah and no Muslim believes that Jesus ever died a physical death or rose from the dead on Earth.

    What kind of retard asks a question just to post their own bigoted answer anyway? Terrible troll or extremely ignorant dipshit.

    December 19, 2011
    1. Thompsons

      I have heard it from people who have studied at Islamic Universities. Get an Arab Christian to read the verse to you in Arabic and to do a literal translation.

      December 19, 2011
  6. Starr1987

    To try and make this even more simple for you, if you want to read it as the resurrection of Christ then it says God will only raise those who believe in Christ above those who don’t until the day he resurrected, meaning he no longer does but only did. You believe that God only held those who had faith higher than those with none for 2 years (the length of Jesus’ ministry according to the Bible) OR LESS?

    December 19, 2011
    1. Thompsons

      Are you a Muslim? Have you worked and lived among Muslims like I have? Have you studied the Bible? Do you know how much of the Qur’an is a reflection of the Bible truth. I am just one begger trying to show other beggers where the real bread of life is.

      December 19, 2011
      1. ocean2002

        What kind of muslims have you lived and worked among?
        I mean what country?

        December 19, 2011
        1. Thompsons

          I was born in Egypt, grew up in Eritrea (among Muslims) and later worked for 25 years based among East African Muslims on the Horn of Africa.

          December 20, 2011
          1. ocean2002

            Ok, that makes you more of an authority on the subject than Starr.

            As you know, living among muslims don’t mean a thing when it comes to Islamic theology.
            Do you accept this point of contention? (We need to square away each point to advance the discussion.)

            December 20, 2011
            1. Thompsons

              No one doubts that most Muslims believe that Jesus didn’t die on the cross. One time I was on a bus next to a Muslim teacher. He was happy because I spoke his language and so thought he could convert me. We conversed for some 5 hours. At the end the point I tried to make was that if Surah 4:157 then God has deceived not only the disciples but also billions of people since who believe the Jesus died on the cross!

              December 20, 2011
  7. Starr1987

    I am not a Muslim but I have read the entire Qur’an and Bible multiple times and studied exegesis and theology of both religions for years. I know a multitude of Muslims and I can and do attend mosque to put forth any questions I have regarded what seems as discrepancies. Any knowledgeable Muslim will tell you exactly what I have, and if/when I can be bothered I’m sure I can find a video of Shabir Ally or Zakir Naik explaining the exegesis of this ayah in the exact same manner as me.
    Sure, the Qur’an mirrors the Old Testament in many places and attests to it’s and the Gospel’s truth but they hold a complete opposite view of Jesus as Christians, ie:
    Christians believe Jesus was God, Muslims believe Jesus was not God and just a prophet.
    Christians believe Jesus died, Muslims believe Jesus did not die (Qur’an 4:157).
    Christians believe Jesus resurrected, Muslims believe he did not as he did not die.
    Etc, etc, etc.
    You are wrong, educate yourself on the topic before you make such inane statements.

    December 19, 2011
    1. Thompsons

      People like Zakir Naik are not Muslim scholars and what they present is designed for Western/non-Muslim audiences and not the view of all Muslim scholars. Sure the general view of Muslims is that Jesus didn’t die and so they have to exegesis this particular ayaah to conform to their theology. Do you speak Arabic?

      December 19, 2011
  8. Thompsons

    This is a forum I am welcome to present what ever I like.

    December 19, 2011
  9. Starr1987

    Shabir Ally has a Masters in Religious Studies focusing on Qur’anic exegesis and they have both written literature on the subject, making them scholars. The “general view”? It is clearly stated in 4:157 “JESUS DID NOT DIE”, plain and simple, there are no two ways about it. No, I don’t speak Arabic but what is the need when there are billions of people out there that do that would explain it to you in the exact same manner I did?
    I have made it as clear as I possibly can and you STILL straight out talk pure bullshit and ignore the facts I have stated.
    Luke 20:33 “Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.” I guess you think this is talking about Jesus’ resurrection then too huh? How about this?:
    Acts 23:8 “For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.”
    Or this?:
    Mark 12:18 “Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying,”
    They are all talking about THE Resurrection in the exact same way as 3:55 in the Qur’an, if the fact that it is written as “the Day of Resurrection” in capitals, meaning it is a title of the event, doesn’t make this obvious then I don’t know what can. How about addressing the point where if it’s referring to Jesus’ resurrection that it would also HAVE to mean that God would only exalt those with faith above those without for 2 years or less?
    While you do have freedom of speech, it will be God you answer to for your lies and deception.

    December 19, 2011
    1. Thompsons

      The context of the verses makes it clear in the verses you quoted. While discussing this aayah on another website I came across this youtube clip. Amazing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELrj2Fk62vI

      December 20, 2011
  10. Starr1987
    What are you smoking? I posted them to make you realise what it’s referring to when it says THE RESURRECTION which Jews, Muslims and Christians who have actually read the Bible know is when God will resurrect all of humanity before judgement, NOT when Christ resurrected, how fucking stupid, ignorant and arrogant can you be? I’m ruining you with scripture here and you’re still clinging to your baseless, wrong opinion. Positron on YouTube is just another biased Christian that takes things FAR, FAR, FAR out of context in order to support his bigoted view. He has NO formal qualifications in any relevant subjects and is just a guy who makes youtube videos, his opinion holds no value. Your continuous ignoring of the facts and questions I’m proposing shows you really have no clue anyway and at least anyone with a brain will see you’re wrong here.

    December 20, 2011
    1. Thompsons

      Why are you so rude? Also why do you care if you are not a Muslim or a Christian? The Qur’an contradicts itself on many issue. There are officially some 500 cases where later aayahs abrogate earlier ones! Mohammed initially wanted the Jews and Christians to accept him as a prophet and so he wrote surahs like Surah 3 and had the direction of prayer towards Jerusalem. Later when he wanted the Meccans to follow him he changed it to Mecca. Have a great Christmas as we remember Jesus who came to save people from the punishment of the sin and was born to a virgin a fact both Christians and Muslims agree on.

      December 20, 2011
      1. Starr1987

        Arrogance and flat out ignorance are damn rude, that’s why I’m being rude in return. I care because I am an Abrahamic Theist and I know what scriptures and religions teach, it offends me when people lie and twist them. The Bible is just as bad, or worse, but they’re both irrelevant to the point at hand, why don’t you address a single one of the facts I have stated? The Gospels were written in order to seem like Jesus fulfilled more prophesies than he did, but you still take them as 100% fact I bet.
        Again, PLEASE address any of the facts or questions I have presented to you and don’t go off on tangents about things completely irrelevant to the topic.

        December 22, 2011
        1. Thompsons

          What “facts” have I ignored? Most scholars I know are happy to accept the gospels on face value and as accurate records of the events.

          December 24, 2011
  11. Starr1987

    Qur’an 4:157
    And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

    Yet you’re trying to stand here and tell us Muslims believe Jesus died and resurrected? Fail more, idiot.

    December 20, 2011
    1. ocean2002

      Us muslims?
      I thought you said you are not a muslim.
      I have to accept your contention that muslims in general do not believe that Jesus died on the cross.
      I too lived among muslims in the Middle East and Asia but not in Africa like Thompson.
      I have credentials in Islamic theology.

      December 20, 2011
    2. Thompsons

      Ask any Arabic speaker to explain to you what “Mutawaffīka” means.

      December 20, 2011
      1. Starr1987

        Ok, I’ll ask Zakir Naik or Shabir Ally

        December 22, 2011
        1. Thompsons

          I would respect John GilChrist in any debate with these guys. Please if you are not a Muslim unbiasly examine both sides.

          December 24, 2011
    3. Thompsons

      The whole verse: ‘Idh Qāla Al-Lahu Yā `Īsá ’Innī Mutawaffīka Wa Rāfi`uka ’Ilayya Wa Muţahhiruka Mina Al-Ladhīna Kafarū Wa Jā`ilu Al-Ladhīna Attaba`ūka Fawqa Al-Ladhīna Kafarū ’Ilá Yawmi Al-Qiyā ۖ Mati Thumma ’Ilayya Marji`ukum Fa’aĥkumu Baynakum Fīmā Kuntum Fīhi Takhtalifūna (source: http://transliteration.org/quran/WebSite_CD/MixPure/Fram2E.htm)

      December 20, 2011
      1. Starr1987

        Spamming stuff you have copy and pasted = no value for your argument.

        December 22, 2011
        1. Thompsons

          I think this is your choice. Unless you know Arabic or are ready to really look at the meaning ot the text you have no basic even to be posting in this discussion. Sorry.

          December 24, 2011
  12. Starr1987

    I am not a Muslim, I just know their scripture and theology.

    December 20, 2011
  13. Starr1987

    I mean tell us [that] Muslims sorry, I am not a Muslim.

    December 20, 2011
  14. kenstill04

    I am not muslim but trying to figure out how they can bomb churchs and say they are peaceful and kill so many women and children

    December 25, 2011
    1. ocean2002

      What is it that you can’t figure out?
      Is a muslim barred from self-defense?

      December 25, 2011
      1. kenstill04

        I didn’t see a church using bombs to blow innocents which they do in cowardly ways

        December 26, 2011
        1. ocean2002

          Churches have the Ministry of Defense do their dirty work for them.
          Each time an unmanned drone strikes, innocents are blown up in cowardly ways.

          December 26, 2011
        2. Thompsons

          Neither Christians or Muslims have an especially good record here. We are all sinners. However I believe some of the Muslim violence has its roots in what they belief and so is harder to change.

          January 08, 2012
  15. antho91

    I think it is well established that is it a fact that Jesus was crucified, died, and rose again. There are plenty of evidences to prove this statement.

    January 22, 2012
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